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Flag Hunters Golf Podcast
John Weir's Mental Golf Type: Tailoring Your Mental Game for Peak Performance
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Unlock the secrets to optimizing your mental game in golf with our special guest, John Weir, the genius behind the Mental Golf Type (MGT) program. In this episode of the Flag Hunters Golf Podcast, we promise you'll learn how to tailor your mental approach to match your unique personality, just as you would custom-fit your golf clubs. Discover the revolutionary techniques of using personality questionnaires to develop mental strategies that align with your natural tendencies, helping you manage stress and enhance your performance on the course.
Take an inspiring journey from California to Florida as we share firsthand experiences of working with top golf coach Mike Bender and his team. We highlight the significant growth experienced through personalized mental strategies, underscoring the importance of understanding individual psychological needs. Hear the powerful story of an SEC All-American golfer whose career was transformed by aligning mental advice with his personality type, illustrating the profound impact of the MGT system rooted in Jungian typology.
Dive into the science behind stress management and its critical role in achieving peak golf performance. Learn how subtle stress can impair motor functions and disrupt your swing, and why identifying your stress triggers is essential. With insights from golf legends like Phil Mickelson and Tiger Woods, we explore how extroverts and introverts manage energy differently. Wrap up with actionable strategies to reduce scoring variance and enhance consistency, including a free mental fitting service to optimize your mental game. This episode is your comprehensive guide to mastering the mental facets of golf and unlocking your full potential on the course.
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Hello, this is Jesse Perriman from the Flag Hunters Golf Podcast, welcoming you to another edition, and this week we have a man by the name of John Weir. Both Justin and I are we're super excited to do this. John Weir is the originator of a program called Mental Golf Type. So if you've ever gone to a range or a place to get fit for certain golf clubs and have been successful doing that, this is the exact same concept for your mental approach. So mental golf type has a process questionnaire to determine what your personality types are, to determine what your personality types are, and then there's customizable programs to help you work through everything that has to do with inside your mental game and inside of your being, and it's a fitting for your psychology. Basically, your golf IQ, your golf psychology, your golf spirituality, your golf IQ, your golf psychology, your golf spirituality and how you can benefit theate. What is the difference between good and great great and phenomenal, if you will and how can we bridge that gap and what can we do that's tangible to have that happen, so that we can all play better golf and get the most out of it? In this episode, john explains it masterfully. So go to mentalgolftypecom and when you check out the information in there and you decide that you want to go on with it and go through it and work it. There is a bit of a discount and John says it on the pod and I'll say it here for flag hunters. So you apply that code and that will work.
Speaker 1:This episode was one of my favorites and I got a lot out of it. I myself am going to dive into the program because I see the efficacy of it and it makes absolute, perfect sense. Why beat your head up against the wall when you're trying to do something that you are not naturally coordinated to do, bottom line, if you are an extroverted person, why do you try to be stoic on the golf course? And vice versa, if you're introverted and you're trying to be gregarious all the time, that's going to be to a detriment of your energy, and I've noticed in my own game that every time I try to hunker down and get serious and put on my you know the tour stare, if you will. It doesn't work for me. You know my personality. It's a little bit gregarious and most decidedly outgoing, and that serves me best and keeps me doing what I've been telling all y'all to do for the last two and a half years and that's be where your feet are. Stay in the moment Hard to do when you're trying to be somebody that you're not. This process will help you basically come home mentally and you will be in your feet. And you will be in your feet and you will be in the present moment. Check it out. I'm super excited about it. We're going to have John on hopefully many times.
Speaker 1:This is a fascinating subject and it certainly deserves to be expounded on and given to all of you. Hope everyone has a good week and cheers. Hello and thank you for joining us. This is Jesse Perryman of the Flag Hunters Golf Podcast, coming off a little bit of a break here and we're starting right up and we're going to be full steam ahead. We welcome once again our podcast partner extraordinaire, one of the great teachers coaches in the world. His name is Justin Tang and he coaches at the Tanamera Golf Club in Singapore, where it's always summer we're in the summer in the United States here, but Justin's in the summer and our esteemed guest today is a man by the name of Mr John Weir. John, thank you for coming on the Flag Hunters Golf Podcast, justin. As always, it's always a privilege to pull you away from the lesson. To you, pal.
Speaker 2:Thank you, jesse, so nice to be back with you, and thank you for taking the time, john, to be with us today.
Speaker 3:Oh, I'm so excited.
Speaker 2:Can you give our listeners a brief introduction as to who John Weir is?
Speaker 3:Well, I've been a mental performance coach for 24 years now. It's kind of hard to believe. I got started into mental performance and psychology when I was just a teenager. I actually saw my sister get hypnotized in a motivational program. It wasn't a theatrical or stage show situation and the guy who was the motivational speaker brought my sister up in front of people, said your body's stiff and rigid as a steel beam. I watched her body lock right up and they laid her down across two chairs, face down, and the man stepped on the small of my sister's back like a table and was presenting his lecture on top of my sister. And it was one of those aha moments where everything parted in my mind. I knew exactly what I wanted to do. I wanted to learn how to tap into that power. If it would have been anybody but my sister, I probably wouldn't be talking to you guys today. But that's what really kind of set things into motion.
Speaker 3:And from there I pursued a degree in psychology. But while I was putting myself through school I got certified in hypnotherapy, neurolinguistic programming and a couple other accelerated mental tools to help speed up the process. Because when I was exposed to this technology I literally used it to rewire my life and in my world. And from there I worked with a lot of athletes for hypnosis, neurolinguistic programming, worked with a lot of the hospitals in my area before going full time into golf, and then we were in California at this point in time at my wife's place, and we're a colleague of mine had brought to me some things to my attention about personality type and what they're starting to see in clinical wellness sessions where people's negative behaviors are linked up to stress. And from there, once I knew that and that there was some sort of connection to that, we started diving into the personality levels of golfers to determine really what that underlying root causes of performance issues and inconsistency, and we found a direct correlation between their personality type, stress and how they perform, of course, and from there it sent into motion I think it's coming up on 14 years now which has been this crazy obsession into mental golf type.
Speaker 3:Besides being a performance coach, I did a lot of my research and development as a caddy. I caddied all around the world from tour down to junior, wanting the inside glimpse into players, real time as a part of our research, and a ton of time down at the Mike Bender Golf Academy working with their elite juniors up to tour level pros, and so it's been a really interesting ride. I'm now combining multiple modalities into it and now I think we have a pretty good grip on kind of some of this predictable process net golfers are going through. So I'm really excited to dive into mental golf type and talking about the new era of mental performance which is personalized, it's individualized and like a club fitting really custom to the way you operate out there so how do you get started in golf?
Speaker 2:was it, uh, was it a case of you trying to turn professional that led you into mgt? What was the journey like?
Speaker 3:well, I've always been an athlete. Growing up I was a multi-sport athlete as a kid basketball, baseball, football umved away from traditional sports in my teenage years due to some conflicts with the school and the programs Went and pursued competitive snowboarding, went in a whole different sport, challenged myself in that regard. So, which was really nice, which I was learning, a lot of commitment. You know when you're snowboarding and hurling off some of these jumps, I look now and I'm like man, I must have screwed for sure, I was crazy, but you don't commit there, you have some pretty catastrophic consequences at times. So kind of transitioned from there and then, like I said, I felt I've always been an athlete, love sports, but once I was exposed to the power of the mind, it was like no other passion that I had and I really wanted to pursue. How do we unlock the mind and what I see? Golf is really cool because in my world of creating personal breakthroughs and transformation, helping improve performance, we get to see an instant manifestation of a person's thoughts, emotions, their state in the game of golf and it really set up an interesting thing. But how I got into really isolating into golf was one, a passion for the game, but I was at Starbucks one day I was getting done doing some behavioral modification work with the local hospital and things, and I'm waiting in line and I had this bag that said National Guild of Hypnotists on it and this guy taps me on the shoulder, justin, and he goes hey, do you ever hypnotize golfers? And at this time I was working with a lot of different athletes and I said, of course you know that was my always my response because I knew I could prep and things and get ready to go. He's like I leave tomorrow for las vegas. And it was mesquite, nevada at the time for the remax long drive championship I think the title has changed over the years. So I said, said, sure, I'll work with you. So I was hypnotizing him over the phone, distance wise, out in Vegas and he had one of his top finishes and he's like my peers and everything I noticed and how poised I was in the competition and pressure.
Speaker 3:So I started getting calls from all these guys and what made the transition, which is from wanting to kind of pursue more of the helper world and get into the sports, was, you know, working with people that wanted to make some sort of positive improvement. Or their doctor was telling them hey, you might want to do this because your health. You had to do so many mental gymnastics to get people to do something good for themselves. But when I was working with the golfers and the athletes, they go man, this is amazing, give me more, what else can I do? How else can I be prepping? And they were just as inspiring for me and I really enjoyed and gravitated to the golfers in that regard and then just became a perfect marriage. Golfers just kept coming and coming, transitioned down to South Carolina, started working with a lot of the academies through the Myrtle Beach area and the rest was history. I just completely fell in love with the game of golf, how it was an instant manifestation, like I said, of the person and it was just such a great way to teach people not only performance skills but life skills that greatly enhance a person's life as they learn this and through the game of golf, people's readiness and openness to wanting to make massive improvements was was there. So it's really what led it into full-time and, thankfully, when I went to florida, my wife and I, when we were looking into the personality, I thankfully have a really wild wife. She's intuitive, like myself. She's a perceiver, so she is willing to jump in for it.
Speaker 3:I had this vision one day, justin. I was like it was sitting in California. I'm like I'm going to move to Florida and I'm going to work with Mike Bender. And I never knew Mike at the time, never really understood where that even came from. But we're like you know what? Let's, let's take a chance. We got in our car, we went and drove all the way to Florida, kind of looked for a house, ended up finding a house at Heathrow Serendipitous, mike is at Magnolia Plantation, which was the neighboring community. And then I met a coach down there. He was looking for somebody to come in and work and, sure enough, went through the process and I got the gig and from there that was full blown. I knew it was the path and it was all in on the researching of mental golf type.
Speaker 2:That's a very interesting journey. I mean, we all know that Mike Bender is a top 50 coach, very, very familiar with technical aspects of the golf swing, with the golfing machine MORAT. What was it like working for or with someone with that kind of technical expertise?
Speaker 3:it was amazing. I mean I was uh, blessed. Every day I went in there and open eyes, open prayers all the time and just wanting to soak up the great knowledge of these great coaches and that included mike and cheryl and all the people at the Bender Academy. I mean I felt so blessed that here I am able to develop and research something with two of the best coaches that I've ever met, tremendous people, and I just felt like it was just accelerating growth. I wanted to go in there both as an expert, knowing my side of things, but also just soaking up as much as I could and I'm so grateful for both of them because it just really accelerated my understanding of things and also being blessed. There in the same neighborhood was chris latina. She played on tour. She came from a tremendous background of a playing career and then I started working with her junior program there and again.
Speaker 3:It's like henry's sister I'm not sure it could be. Okay, it could be, and, uh, I'll have to. I'll have to ask her after the call. But between the two of them it was like almost 100 years of top-notch education and experience, and so just soaking it in, trying to be as big of a sponge as I could. So what?
Speaker 2:what was the the trigger for institutionalizing MGT or mental golf type? That is a monotonous project.
Speaker 3:It was and looking back on it now, it was probably better not to start than not finish at this point. It's been quite the marathon. You know it was a daunting task I mean many people figure out about themselves and us trying to figure out and dive into the personalities but it was been it's been a joyous ride. It started by doing tons and tons of interviews. We started reaching out through our online networks and getting people to go through personality assessments and our personality assessments based off Jungian typology and this is rooted in over 100 years of research development, being tested and scrutinized and Carl Jung he stumbled across something amazing. It's literally like a human unconscious template that we experience. We have built-in functions, but all of ours are set up a little bit different and by understanding this, it really set into motion so much and so it was all built off Jungian framework and through the interview process, one call in particular I wrote about it on the website really set things into motion where I said you know we have to do this and there's something really there.
Speaker 3:There was a really good player coming out of college. He was an SEC All-American, won five times in his program and, under the old system, was trying to qualify on the tour through QSchool. I think he missed by one or two. He was right on the line and the people right in front of him were Horschel and, I think, thompson, and those guys went on to have some really great careers, but for him he just, unfortunately, was on the other side. So he went and talked to a psychologist and was talking to him about his game and he was wanting to make some improvements and was having challenges. Um, the psychologist gave some really solid advice I mean well-intended advice, I should say, like we all do when we were working with people without this understanding and he goes. You know, paul, I hear you speculating a lot and you're doing a lot of negative speculations about all these what could go wrong and what could go wrong next, and you know his mind's just constantly jumping out ahead. And so the psychologist said well, why don't you just start reframing this? And let's start reframing this into expecting some positive things to take place for us winning the tournament again, seeing yourself posting good numbers, focusing on all these future vision in these goals, sounds good advice, right?
Speaker 3:So we're going through his assessment and we're going down through his personality and we got to his stress mode. So everybody has four modes of operating. You have your best. That's like your natural innate strength that you do very seamless. In fact, you do it so well you probably don't even acknowledge it to be a mental strength. We make the assumption that everybody does it this way and then, at the very bottom of that, we have our underdeveloped function, which is what we call our stress mode, and by default. What is amazing is is when we're in a stressful situation, whether real or perceived, if we're processing it through stress or that fight or flight response, our brain defaults into that underdeveloped function. It's so weird and it's very, very predictable, and so we end up doing the same things all the time. All that's different is the content of the situation. So, as we're going through his stress mode and for Paul, his stress mode was this extroverted speculation, extroverted intuition, specifically, and so the what ifs, all these possibilities Paul went from being a five-time winner in the SEC, barely missing the tour, and in three years of playing professional golf at some of the lower levels, he made three cuts in 36 events.
Speaker 3:Okay, now his coach from the Carolinas is calling me. He's like you've got to talk to Paul. This guy can't like toss in the towel on this and he walked off the course in his last round that he played before. He contacted me, never submitted his card, was so embarrassed that he was ready to quit. When we hit that point, justin, in his understanding of himself, he goes. It was like I could feel it. It was like the light bulb went off he goes. Oh my gosh. He's like I've been trying to play golf like that for three years, giving it every bit of my energy, all this working on staying positive, all these positive future things. And what was that? He was employing his most underdeveloped function. So what we started doing, we started shifting that a lot.
Speaker 3:It wasn't an overnight success but his first event after him starting to align more to his hardwiring. He made a cut. Next week he made a cut. Next week he made a cut. He had a first professional win within three months and I think now he's coaching collegiately. But it changed and kept him in his golf career and from that point it was like oh my gosh. And again we're interviewing people. They're in different parts of the world and this isn't like different parts of America, I mean from France, from Brazil, from Singapore, all over the place and what was wild was people of that same personality type were literally responding to my questions almost verbatim like scary, almost word for word descriptors of their experience. And that's when we knew there's something here, and sorry, I had some coffee, so I hope I'm not rambling too much. No, no, so that's when we knew there's something here, and sorry, I had some coffee, so I hope I'm not rambling too much. No, no.
Speaker 2:So that's all really good stuff. But I think I like to give our listeners some kind of background right Into what MGT is before we really go into the four different facets, the eight dichotomies and the 16 personality types, and about performance and stress. So as a segue into MGT, let's talk about club fitting. Right, everyone who's more or less serious about golf, they'll go get fitted for a set of clubs. What's your swing speed? How you load the club?
Speaker 2:And then the more serious guys go for what I call swing fitting. They go check their anatomical uh dimensions, the length of their arms versus their height. Oh, you know, because you, you have more of an upright string. Therefore, your, your compatible uh ground reaction force, loading pattern is skewed towards vertical, for example. And then all you, because of that, you should grip the club in such a manner, you should, your, your kinematic sequence should peak, like that. I get that right. But when it comes to to uh, the mental game, it's like let's take deep breaths, let's visualize. But I get that, I think that's part of the mental game, but it is not the mental game. So so MGT, in my mind, having done the course and I'm certified, it's basically fitting for the mental game. So let's talk about the four facets, the eight dichotomies and how stress is created and disrupts performance when we play out of our dichotomies.
Speaker 3:Sure, let's start with the stress aspect because I think it's a nice segue when we look at peak performance state, or actually what's the biggest problem players are having is inconsistency, right, trying to take your range, swing to the course, trying to bring that same fluidity, that same type of performance and what's getting in the way. And I agree with you. I before, in my previous days as a performance coach, thinking mental game is breathing techniques, good visualization, doing things like establishing hypnotic triggers for your mind to be able to relax, and things, and that is a part of it. But I've re now my whole paradigm of what performance is all about. It's really revolves around stress management and the reason why stress management is we're going to get into the predictable shifts mentally.
Speaker 3:Most people are aware of acute stress, but it's this subtle underlying stress that people have never picked up on and what that's doing is it creates cortisol. So cortisol, stress management and elimination of cortisol is the number one skill for any athlete, especially a golfer. That requires fine motor skills and the reason is is where binds can go into fight or flight with real or imagined threats. So you worrying about embarrassing yourself, let's say, on the first tee, is an imagined threat which can set off cortisol and change the way we're processing mentally. But as it relates to your physical performance and this is why I think it's the number one thing Cortisol is a paralytic. So as cortisol starts getting secreted into your brain, it starts clamping down the motor cortex like a vice grip, depending upon what level of stress we're experiencing. And so if we're making these simple shifts in focus, it clamps down the motor cortex and now our golf swing is actually changing. So in the performance context, we're going to see a definite correlation between your poor swings and it's 100% connected to where you are mentally, because you're either using your best functions and if you use your best functions with focus band technology, we see the brain light up, the brain relaxes, you feel comfortable and strong. It's like signing your name with your dominant hand. It's easy, it's effortless, it feels natural.
Speaker 3:This is is the zone day. You get out of there. You never go. Hey, coach, justin, it felt so hard out there. I had a peak day. It felt. It was so such a grind. Never on those days. The grind comes when we're starting to use our underdevelopmental functions. It's secreting subtle levels of cortisol. That cortisol clamps down your golf swing and now we're having changes in performance. Then what happens happens. We want to run to the range after we're going to go work it out. Suddenly there's no stress or cortisol, so it's already worked out and the golf swing is right where we left it. Motion doesn't break down that quick so it can't be changing from your front nine. Now suddenly you made the turn and your motion just stayed in the clubhouse. It's the stress and it's this subtle underlying levels of stress that is the culprit.
Speaker 3:So when we're looking at universally, what are we trying to achieve in the mental game Alpha brainwaves? We all want to be in alpha brainwaves, that relaxed state of present moment, awareness where our brains are relaxed and what it shows in our brain is both hemispheres are illuminated and at work for our goals. What stops this universally for people is stress. Stress stops flow states. It stops the zone, can't be in the zone when we're stressed out. And again we talked about what's going on universally in the mind of players. What mental golf type goes is we look at the next level of the performance equation, which is the subjective side now. So now we know what we're going to try and get and what our goal is alpha relaxed brain waves and we're trying to prevent cortisol release in our brain.
Speaker 3:Now we got to look at well, does Justin get stressed out by the same thing that I get stressed out by, and does Jesse get stressed out by the same thing I do? And it's not likely. We actually all have a different way of approaching things and it's all based on the four main facets of our mind. So what Carl Jung was identifying is is every single person has four main like built-in functions into your mind that is constantly at work. It's built in and it will never change. It's there, wired and it's directly connected to your stress response. So it's an unconscious mental filter, in fact your very first mental filter. Any information passes through, because the only most important thing your brain's always asking is is this a threat to me or not? If there's no threat, we hinge up. We're naturally using our gifts. Things feel comfortable, normal. If there's a perceived threat, we're likely to hinge down. Now what mental golf type does is? It brings to light what your subtle stressors are, what you're doing mentally. That is indicating you are actually in that state and a performance breakdown is looming if we don't address it, if we address it with something so simple as even talking. If you're an extrovert, your brain relaxes and within one swing you can return back to your normal performance.
Speaker 3:So four main facets of the mind energy how we're directing and managing our mental energy. We have a facet that's built in for our focus or our perception, so this is going to play a role in our targeting, our address focus. How we're gathering information, what we're focusing on to fuel our confidence. We have our decision-making facet in our mind and we have different ways of arriving at decisions we trust. And we also have one how we structure or prioritize our time or approach getting our goals done. And all four of those facets essentially has a mental right hand and a mental left hand. One is an inborn dominant strength, the other is going to be inferior and lead to more work, more effort for mediocre resolve.
Speaker 2:So let's give our audience a little bit of a flavor of what their mental right hand and left hand is, as it pertains to the first facet, energy. So maybe I'll give an example from myself. When I play great, I'm always talking to myself, an example from myself, right. When I play great, I'm always talking to myself Like wow, there's a hole, there's the green shit. In this manner, what are you going to do now, jt? And then I make a bogey. Suddenly I climb up and then you know it's suddenly on the bogey train for two, three holes. And then you start talking again. You snap off, birdie comes back and then you start talking again. You snap off, the birdie comes back and then before you know it you were three over on the front nine and then on the back nine, you're two under. That sort of thing it's so subtle, but no one talks about this.
Speaker 3:You would never think this is connected to performance, but it 100% is. So we have two different ways we manage our energy. Or what you could think of is everybody is built with an internal battery and when fully energized we perform our best, but when it gets drained and fatigued it leads us into stress really, really quickly. So we got two great examples. So our energy sources could be either you could be an extrovert or you could be an introvert. We got two classic examples on tour right Perfect examples. You got Phil Mickelson, your epitome extrovert. In fact, we could probably put Bryson in there now. After his US Open win, we saw Bryson really exuding what we're going to talk about as the qualities of an extrovert and he really leaned into that and it led to a lot of great success. And then we have Tiger Woods on the other side, our epitome of our introvert.
Speaker 3:So extroverts are literally hardwired design to direct their energy outward, to the world, to projects, people, activities as they. So one example of this is extroverts do their best thinking and they process information out loud. So if you have kids in school, whenever a teacher asks a question, the extrovert kids raise their hand and say they have a half-formed thought and as they start talking, it finishes out the thought process. So as they talk, their brain literally works better. So think of Phil, for example, and how he's an extrovert when he's playing his best. He's there chatting with his cat, he's engaging with the audience, he's walking and exuding energy with his body language. And when we're seeing that from a player like Phil, it's going to be, he's going to be performing, he's in his state, he's in the right place.
Speaker 3:Now, predictably, what happens to extroverts when they start going into stress is we do the opposite. Extroverts, when they start going into stress, is we do the opposite. They actually go from being extroverted, engaged in the action, engaged in what's going on around them, and they start getting quiet. And as you go back and watch old films, you're going to see this. As the struggle happens, the eyes go from here and now it's looking down, the head comes down, they get stuck in their inner world and the conversation is continuing, justin, but now it's all internal and it's all the clutter that's getting in the way of our performance. And as long as the extrovert is staying internal like that, they're actually depleting their mental energy and it's creating mental stress. Conversely, the introvert, like tiger is designed to conserve energy, so they're more comfortable directing most of their energy internally to their inner world of thoughts, memories, feelings, experiences. They think through their thoughts fully before articulating their answer.
Speaker 3:So I caddy for an ISTJ and I'm an ENFP. I mean, we're like the odd couple. Perfect match though. But I could have probably talked myself out of a job if, when we arrived at our shot, I started talking out the numbers and doing the math out loud like I'd want to, or what you might exchange with an extrovert. What I've learned is that my dad has to process. We do the math simultaneously. I stay quiet until he finishes his full thought. Once he has his full thought, he's ready to arrive at that answer, and we're ready to confirm and keep going.
Speaker 3:And we see this from Tiger. Right, tiger's on the tee box. I watched him at Oakmont over a decade ago, right there on number two. His eyes are down. It's in the book. He's taking and blocking out a lot of the distractions. When you're seeing him walking in the majors, his head's down, he looks really confident. But it's almost like the racehorse where he's in his own space. But what happens to the tiger when he's getting stressed? He gets more chatty, he starts, maybe cursing, lashing out. You're going to see the expression now Like it goes from being contained, calm and cool to like hey, that guy is taking a picture of my backswing and now the energy is leaking out into the external world, either getting more verbal, Reminds me of Montgomery when he plays badly, he starts pointing people out in the crowd.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so the energy is going out now like the extrovert and it's a steady drainage of energy. And what that player needs to do let's say they're talking too much in a group or they're talking trying to figure it out they actually have to carve out some time to get by themselves, to go internal again, to regroup and regroup on their energy. And when you think about Tiger in a match he never really performed that great in the match why he's there supposed to be social? He's there trying to put on more of an exhibition and now he's all out of his head and things just don't click. The same way and you will know this now that it's on your radar, everybody listening you will see this all the time in your life. And once you start noticing that shift in that energy, now you're going to know what to do to catapult, based on your brain, to get out of it. Inside our free members area, one of our other certified coaches, kyle Alderink. He's walking players through just this one thing and he's got players that were extroverts and he tells them to be quiet. And these are pros flushing it the whole time they're talking. Then he has them be quiet and get internal and it's like they can't find the face at all. And then, within a swing, he has them articulate again what their plan is or their strategy. It comes right back. Conversely with the introverts, same way, he has them quiet.
Speaker 3:This one girl in particular is really wild. She's standing in this divot, justin, the whole time. Right, she's this introvert, she's just focused on her action, not bothering her. Center of the face, center of the face, center of the face. Then Kyle goes hey, start talking to me a little bit. Gets her extroverted. She goes oh man, I've been standing in this divot the whole time, I didn't even really know this. She starts just articulating the divot and, next thing, you know, it's chunk, it's thin, it's this he says. Now take a deep breath, go within, change your thought, think it through for a second step in next shot, flushed right off the face. And why is this happening?
Speaker 2:it's because of the effects of the stress, and as that stress shifts and or even lightens a little bit, the body, the motion and the motor cortex can work proper and the amazing thing is this golfers who've been through this program, our listeners who want to find out more now you know for sure what are your stresses, so it's not hit and miss. Oh, I played bad yesterday because of this. I think it's this. Today, I played well because I woke up early, I had my breakfast, I had my coffee, blood sugar none of that we know exactly now. If you play out of your dichotomies, you're going to create a stressed out state.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's, it's, I mean it's, it becomes a little spooky. I mean, this is what we've introduced to the world right now is just our facet level and our level two program and the modes. It gets even crazier, more specific, and we have players. It's like man, it's like you've been on my back for 15 years of my entire career and we think we're more complex, but we follow these same repeatable patterns Once it becomes on your radar. Now we're building the game around building your strengths around one, your natural strengths, and it's a discernment tool to your point.
Speaker 3:So players, they have a bad round. What are they doing? They don't really address mentally because they're not really aware of what that is. It's always been kind of intangible and they have no real language to communicate. Now we have a language through mental golf type to be able to come and say, coach, I'm struggling with focus. We can shift them, but when do we know if it's a technical breakdown occurring on the course or if it's a result of mental performance? So again, your mental is driving your performance day to day. Your swing and your technique are going to determine your overall level as a player. So obviously we're never going to replace technique. That's a part of it. It's a staple. But what your mental performance is going to do is determine that day, your level of performance and your consistency in scoring.
Speaker 3:On our website, Mental, we have a. We're going to be launching it. There's a new update coming out on it. But if we break down the full sequence of what players are doing and we can know exactly where in that chain they're getting off so let's assume a player isn't trained and understanding we're eliminating working to take the stress out we can't really accurately discern that those are technical breakdowns occurring on the course.
Speaker 3:And so what does this player do? They're not addressing the mental filter or the real problem. They run to the range, everything's okay, or they're working on all these different things on their swing which really had no impact on what their performance was. We know it's a technical thing. Whenever a person's relaxed on the range and they're not hitting it really well for one and they're in a relaxed, non-consequence situation, or a person is consistently keeping their mind by applying their strengths on the course right, and they're doing the things to keep the stress out of their game, yet they're still having trends in performance that are going south we immediately know we've got to contact the swing coach.
Speaker 3:But I'm going to say, and I would say for the majority of players and every level of skill is different, but we all have our good and we all have our bad when it comes to performing, I'd say 90% of the problems that people are experiencing is literally just a stress issue and by unearthing that we get more consistency. And where does the consistency in scoring come from? Because we're eliminating the cortisol, so you're getting a better quality of your swing and you're getting the best out of your physical performance. So the more we're stringing along shots like that, the lower the score gets, because even your misses have a better dispersion. You're still in scoring opportunities and we're not self-defeating.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly. So some of the 12 players that I teach, I tell them look, you may have a technical issue, but it's not going to decide whether you shoot a 65 or a 75. And when we do a post-round analysis they go oh that hole, I made a bogey. What were you thinking of? It's narrow, there's water, left water, right, I said it's not a breakdown in technique, it's the thoughts you have. And it's not so much the thoughts you have, it's how you reacted to the thoughts. If you start pushing away those thoughts and then your brain goes like, hey, the dummy didn't get it, let's amplify it, the real and perceived threat thing you were talking about earlier.
Speaker 2:And I find that this MGT technology is able to give good players an objective framework that they can use to get them to the next level. They've spent so much time on the range in practice coding the great swing technique that they can't unleash on the golf course when it matters because they don't know what the real stresses in their game is in their game. So they start blaming things that oh. You know I've always been too shallow on the downswing, but hang on, last week when you played here in a practice round, you shot six under par. What has changed? Nothing has changed. It's your perception of your swing that has changed and Jesse, being a very high-level amateur player, I'm sure you can attest to that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I certainly can, you know. I kind of equate it as getting out of your own way. How you know, and really, how do you get out of your own way? The question that I've been having lately and Justin and I talk about this really ad nauseum is how do you get out of your own way, especially when you are under duress, because during the course of a competitive round I mean, I think Justin and I have talked to enough tour pros to figure out that the best players in the world really strike the ball how they want to one, maybe two rounds out of a 72 hole event and how do you manage the other two or three rounds? And this is where what I'm hearing from this technology and looking at it during this conversation would be very valuable information.
Speaker 1:To know thyself, especially when you're triggered about something, is really, in my opinion, about 90% of the battle, because, you know, left to our own devices, we can certainly go down the wrong rabbit holes, especially in competition, and that's true of the example that you said of the young man that was a high-level collegiate golfer, turned pro and struggled for a long time. And there's a need for this, john, there's certainly a need for this. I think we've beaten the technique of the swing down enough. We've got enough measurables to measurable all of the physical attributes. We've got TPI. We've got some great programs out there EGP, all of these great things, nutritionists, we've got, you know, hypnotherapists and all that. But you know, there's always something that we can. If we're aware enough and we notice, it'll present itself. And this seems like a really good way to know thyself. You know, when it's easy, it's easy. But the great champions have demonstrated that they still find a way even when it's not easy. And what is that? What do they do?
Speaker 1:You know how do they yeah, you know how they figure it out. How did Tiger figure it out? How did Jack Nicklaus figure it out?
Speaker 3:I think they're very self-aware and I think that's where their gifts and that's why they're performing there. And one thing you notice about Tiger Tiger never tried to emulate anybody else. Tiger was Tiger. Tiger worked on being himself, and so here's what we're doing. This is what we're trying to do, so we're not trying to really teach players a lot of new. In fact, everything we teach you in our program should really resonate with you, because we're actually bringing to light what you are doing during those rounds when it felt easy, it felt seamless, and then also, specifically, what you are doing when things are going south. So obviously we still have habits and we have a lot of learned behaviors we're working through.
Speaker 3:But we're extending the number of shots now free of cortisol. We've now turned the mental game into something more tangible. So Dr Lardon put out a great book on the mental scorecard and talking about how he was working with Phil and learning to track what he called qualified shot processes. Well, unless you're devoting thousands of dollars and a lot of time to go work with a psychologist to really get pinpointed into what you were doing and the things, how does your average player, or even tour players, get to what that qualified shot process actually is. So our shot process. We have a shot process blueprint and it's outlined for all 16 types and each one of our zones. So we have it set up, bridgestone, kind of modeled, our thing. We have a red zone, a yellow zone, a green zone, finish line and a commitment line in there too. Each personality type has specific ways that they navigate each one of those zones at their best, at stress, and then we provide strategies to shift.
Speaker 3:Now why do the strategies work for people to shift? It's because it's based on what you're naturally doing anyways in life. It's what you're doing. In business, it's what you're doing whenever you're having family challenges and you're overcoming the stress. These tendencies will surface everywhere in your life. Golf is the most beautiful game because it brought to light, really, the application side of this work that has been out for over 100 years. I mean, mbti works in the corporate world with team building and communication. There have been 50 million assessments given in just the corporate world. But again, in the corporate world it's about hey, how do I talk to Jesse a little bit better and know him a little bit so we can have a better working relationship? Or what am I more suited for in this, but a lot of it was in descriptors. We didn't really see the real application.
Speaker 3:But golf sets us up with a really interesting thing. Because in life, why is stress root cause of 85% illness, productivity problems, all these things, performance problems? It's because it's subtle and it's under the surface and we don't realize it. We call it boiled frog syndrome. You know, in life, you're in there and the water is just cranking and cranking up, cranking up. Next thing you know you're fried, you are spent and you're stressed. And unfortunately we don't have any of those markers that let us know like, hey, this is a red flag, john, another red flag. Hey, you might want to address this. We don't ever perceive that.
Speaker 3:But golf gave us that insight, because golf's this little microcosm of life. We walk to a new situation right where it could either be comfortable or create feelings of threat or fear. We have to now assess a situation, make a decision, gather information. We are processing that information. We have to make a decision there. Then we have to select an action that we are going to perform. We're rehearsing that action, preparing, executing, and then we have to deal with that, wait a couple minutes and then go repeat the process all over again.
Speaker 3:So it gave us a really interesting look into watching people spiral into stress and what that path and process actually look like for all of these individuals. And again, your personality type matches that person's. I mean, they do it. It's the tour levels, do it the same way as your beginner golfers. It's similar. And once we start identifying this now the game becomes very, very tangible. Because, again, jesse, if you know that you need to make a decision with more of a zone versus a real, precise target, or you need to make your decisions and lean more on the logical side, like more of a decade decision making, that's going to give you confidence because it's based off numbers and logic and percentages. I don't do that and rely too heavily on as good as the information is. It's taken me away from my emotional intelligence and I need to lean on a lot more of what, subjectively, is giving me the most confidence out here. I'm understanding those things about yourself.
Speaker 3:Now allow you to go. Was I successful in my red zone decision-making or did I set my shot process up already in stress? Well, if your shot process any one of those things is indicating stress or getting out of alignment with our natural strengths. We can't say that that swing breakdown or the poor performance there was a swing error. Yes, we experienced a swing error, but it wasn't because the motion pattern was breaking down. It's due to now that vice grip of that underlying stress that's changing it. Maybe that's just you don't shutting the face, maybe it's a little quick in transition or we're feeling a little tighter or evoking larger muscles. These are all indications of stress within that swing sequence.
Speaker 3:And so now, what do we do to improve a mental game? And we've helped from juniors, I mean, we have so many victories and it just follows a real simple thing we take players away from that number one pitfall, worrying about their score, all this stuff by reframing the importance of their shot process. Everybody hears that all the time process, process. But unless you know your qualified route, how do you actually know if you're actually achieving that? Well, now our players go out and they have their process built out. We can now start tracking that. And so, regardless of what that outcome is kind of like what Dr Lardon put out there now you have a qualified way of figuring out that. Now we're stringing it along To reach tour. You've got to be at 90%. It's got to be a 90% Just keeping yourself free of cortisol and being in a confident, committed state. If you can't do that mentally and have that mental skillset built, you are not playing tour golf regardless. If you have the swing for tour, if you want to win on tour, it's 95 for four days. 95%. That is a hard thing to do. These guys are mental giants out there and somehow along the way they figured out their simple things and when they stay to that, those tour players play great. But you'll see the same predictable signs.
Speaker 3:Go back and watch the US Open again and observe Bryson putting out his energy as an extrovert. Notice the holes when he started struggling. They're the holes when he went introverted. He's self-contained. He's in there trying to figure it out and it wasn't until he would burst out or he was engaging again with the crowd till his performance was changing. Go back, you'll see the link. These were his bogeys and predictably before Rory walked into that last play. I'm telling everybody I was watching it with I'm like he's going to miss this. He's going to miss. He didn't do his routine, so Rory's an ESTJ. I speculate. Very regimented routine player side the whole nine yards. So when I'm watching him and not doing his normal sequence behind the ball. Then he walked in with that hesitation. He is not getting that qualified shot process there, and even for a tough little short putt it was enough that changed perception decisions. All the next thing you know is a missed putt.
Speaker 3:This is what we do, though this is how we're tracking it. So now, what are we trying to do on the course? Our course management stuff's really simple mentally we're trying to win the three Ps. This is what all of our players try to win the three Ps. One, we're trying to be positive out there, and that doesn't mean smiling and giggling and go lucky like that. Some people express themselves, a lot of other people involved.
Speaker 3:Everybody needs to be positive, and what I mean by positive thinking is in our decision-making. Around one, we're maintaining self-efficacy, a belief in our ability to do the job, regardless if it's a tough day or not. And next, positive thinking in our decision-making in regards to what we want to accomplish and not creating avoidance strategies or sabotaging ourselves with weak language. If, if, hope, um, all these different things, trying to don't these things inadvertently sabotage players performance. But again, we want to be positive. Speak in terms of what you want what you're committing to big thing for all players. Next p is patience. We want to have some patience out there after our shot and also allowing the round to really unfold for ourselves. Right, and we're just then. It's our last one is stringing along high levels of processes, process, process, process. What's great about the process is is this is the thing we want to be tracking and focusing on the whole time.
Speaker 3:And it replaces the score. It's something obtainable, it's something you're in control of. And it replaces the score. It's something obtainable, it's something you're in control of. And it gets really exciting as you're adding up check marks on your score sheet, like a fairway made or a greens and red. You get tons of momentum. Now, at the end of the round, you can take your final score, the number of checks you have, and you can actually give yourself a tangible mental percentage of what percentage you are clicking at for that round. What you'll see in our sequences is that number goes up. Scoring goes way down.
Speaker 3:As the player starts putting their emphasis onto the process, scoring variance shrinks. So every player, if you're untrained, if you're shooting a 75, let's say, you get a vision of five to six, plus or minus on either end of that number as your scoring window. If you're trying to figure out a nice barometer where you're at, take the scoring average of your last 10 rounds and then put plus or five above and below this, this is the average scoring window for your player and technique's going to determine where that is. But every player, regardless if you're a 20 handicap or you're a scratch player, you have a scoring window with, with an untrained mind, that variance is that full 10 to 12 shot variance. You just don't know what you're getting. Some days you show up, you're feeling all right, you have a good percentage of shots for your stress. Other times you're working in those things and trying to employ that and we're not getting the gains. So it's just up and down. And when you look at a bell curve with an untrained mind, you can maybe expect to have a great round, one out of five or 20% or less occurrence.
Speaker 3:We're trying to change that because what we're showing is that simple binary sequence the mind is running through at an unconscious, subconscious, conscious state level and the more we're stringing that along again, the better the performance. It just starts skyrocketing. And if we're constantly hinging up, so again, if you're free of stress, guess what your mind does now subconsciously. Our brain, based off neurolinguistic programming, says our brains do three things all the time subconsciously we delete, we distort and we generalize information. How true is that right? And when we're playing good or you're just, let's just say like they, let you play with your natural dominant hand. I'm throwing a ball with my dominant hand, I'm hitting it the normal way. That gives me a lot of confidence, my brain relaxes.
Speaker 3:So, again, now is this going through your second filter? This is your belief system, this is your habits, your memories, all these things. Well, now, at your best, and your brain's relaxed, you're deleting, distorting, generalizing, naturally in a positive direction. I mean, you're not even thinking of your struggles, it's just seeing your successes, and that fuels your state, that fuels your actions. We get a lot of success. But if we don't know about the stress and we're starting in stress and our brain goes oh, I'm at this tee box threat now we're immediately going into stress and using an underdeveloped function. That isn't good. It's not developed in us. What happens when it hits that second filter? We delete the store, generalize in the negative, and so now we don't see our successes, we don't see the fact that we've been hitting it well all front nine, that things are okay. Our brains delete all that information. As a result, we see all these changes in our state and behavior. So it's really learning to bring that sequence.
Speaker 3:This is where the consistency really comes in, because again, at the end of the day, what this mental training does is freeing you up to bring out your physical best. And if I have Justin giving me his physical best right and he's free, he's out of his way and his brain is free of cortisol for 90% of the shots. Come on Justin's having a day. Amateurs can really accelerate that because they're not shaving margins or small percentages. But I'll just say one shot on tour is worth a lot of money and it's worth a lot in your order of merit over a season. It's so much. And having been a caddy and watched it from the missing, that from one, how many times we did it two, three times at Q School final stage, I mean much. And having been a caddy and watched it from the missing, that from one, how many times we did two, three times a Q school final stage, I mean it's. It's tough, there's a lot of value. But if you're, if you're shooting in the eighties or even nineties, by even incorporating a mental game, you're going to accelerate your progress so quick and you're going to score better even without not changing too much in your game at this moment. And again, even at that level, you're going to shrink scoring variance and get more of your good. So we're trying to bring it into more of one a better vocabulary for players to be able to communicate with their coaches and among themselves.
Speaker 3:Two a discernment tool. If you're an extrovert, don't be following advice for Tiger, and if you're an introvert, don't be following advice for Phil or trying to model your game there. It will not work. I mean, the number one thing is I mean I tried to play like Tiger for so long. Why did I struggle? That's because you're not meant to be in your head and trying to be in that state. You're different, so it's really learning about who you are and then really just driving us at a high level. And that's what we're hoping to do and bring clarity for people so you can say coach my process, my process. Numbers are down. Okay, let's evaluate. Is it decision, is it rehearsal? Is it that address? We can immediately get right to it predictably. It's pretty fascinating.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the awesome thing is people into the program can save time as opposed to trying to figure it out themselves. If you try to figure it out yourself, you might not get there, and even if you did, it probably will take too much time.
Speaker 3:Or you still second guess it because you're like well, maybe I do it this, and that's really what we help.
Speaker 3:So we offer a free mental fitting. Everybody who's listening can go on the site too and get their results for free. A lot of other personality assessments won't give you a report. We give you a full report and everything to go take a look at it, and we give you a bunch of free resources inside our app so that you can go and explore this and I think even from the introductory lessons, as you start applying it, you'll see this as a truth in your game. And again, once we know that, we can start cultivating it around what you do great, we can that to light and then we can also bring to light, actually, what you want to avoid, and it makes things really, really easy for people. It's it's a time saver.
Speaker 2:You're 100% right, yeah yeah, because it's verified by focus band technology. It's not. It's not you writing about something theoretical, it's actually tried and tested. Hey, you're of this dichotomy, but when you play out of it, look, your brainwave frequency goes through the roof.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and you know, I'll be quite honest with you guys, there were some concepts, like with the sensors, that it was contradictory to almost every sports psychology book I had read up to that point. However, what I looked at is you almost have like a different section of psychology books because now we do have tools. So before we're working it off observations of a top player or off these things, now we can validate that and what's really neat is through that technology, just simply talking relaxes your brain, stripe it, and when that thing is green man, everybody hits it their best, everybody. But now we're just seeing it's not like it's not a matter of what you're thinking, it's just how you're processing it and you might be employing some learned behavior. That was a simple shift, like talking.
Speaker 3:It can change your game or targeting. You know another example real quick that people probably hear all the time aim small, miss small. That's effective for maybe about 70% of the golf population, but if you're an intuitive player, that's detrimental. It's going to take you into stress. You can open up and expand your zones, you can elevate your targets and there's a lot of different ways to play that when you're going to get into. Wow, that's actually what I was doing when I was playing great. Now we isolate it and we're going to continue to refine it and get better.
Speaker 2:Can you talk a little bit about the certification program for coaches?
Speaker 3:Sure, Well one. I'm really honored and excited that you have gone through the program. We put your picture out on Instagram and we're getting. Oh my gosh, I love that podcast. I've been listening to him and Jesse and things, so it was great. Everybody's excited to chat with you inside our community and things as well.
Speaker 3:But our certification program it's a. It's a self-study platform first and foremost, where we expose you to the four facets and the eight diagrams, Everything that your players will be exposed to. We teach you about the application and development. So we teach a simple three-step process that overrides the stress response through your physiology, your breathing and your neurology. So it's your personality, neurology and physiology Three combative ways to tell your brain hey, I'm relaxing, I'm in control. You guys know how everything is settled. So we walk the coaches all through that. But what really we love is our interaction matrix. So, again, whereas a lot of the communication challenges happening in the teaching relationship or in any of our relationships, we're making the assumption that everybody's viewing and processing the world the way that we do. But there's actually 16 different ways that we could be perceiving and that's why some people are like why can't you see? This is so clear. They're like I don't, I don't get it. It's a wiring difference. And so, when we're looking at retaining clients and students and things, what's the ultimate way? Well, our program allows you to go and, before your player even comes in, you can know how they focus, how they're going to manage your energy, how they're going to make decisions, how you need to set up their practice to keep them engaged and keep them coming back. You also know what type of coach it is.
Speaker 3:But let's say I'm an extrovert, obviously, and I work with lots of introverts. I had to learn how to communicate with them and what are their markers. I mean, I made a mistake. Wow, they're not really responding. They must not be getting it. And then what does that extrovert want to do? Pick it up and keep going. Now we're overloading that kid. That kid just needs a little bit more time and I need to give him a little bit more quiet. Process, process is not fully to articulate. So we teach you how to communicate to the different people.
Speaker 3:If you're a linear thinker, like a sensor, who likes fact details, things that are traditional and work in a more of a linear format, but we try to coach that kid with nonlinear conceptual ideas or different things, like an intuitive, there's going to be a big mismatch. And so we have the communication matrix, which allows you to seamlessly improve your communication with your students. Understand exactly where they're coming in. It helps put out a lot of fires, too, whenever you have parents, Because I mean, think about this Sometimes you do all this great work and a parent is given poor advice at home or giving wrong suggestions, or they just don't understand, like, why is my kid not practicing? I'm very scheduled, why are they not sticking to the schedule? They're never going to do it. They approach their goals differently, and so we can have a lot of healing within even just the dynamic of understanding the strengths and the differences. So we teach you the communication aspects we have so much in there. We teach you everything how to do the verification session, we teach you how to apply it in the lessons in your range, If you're a swing coach, how to seamlessly integrate it right into your coaching.
Speaker 3:And then my format, which is how I love to train players I break it all out there. Once they know this, my job as a coach gets really fun. I take them onto the course and I put some of the most demanding learning constraints on them to really try to maximize the stress that they're experiencing. For example, let's say we've qualified our kids in college programs like this. So here's our rules. You're going to tee it up. Just rough is out of bounds. If you miss the approach shot, it's a plus one penalty. If it's not in reg, you get your first putt if you're on in reg, but as soon as you. If you miss it, it's a drawback of one putter length until you complete it each time. If you miss the green, your chipping has got to be within a certain window or it's a drawback penalty Like these are some of the things Our premise is. We make golf way more demanding than anything you ever face in a tournament play, and why we want you to confront these predictable, subtle signs of stress. It doesn't matter as long as we're playing for something, and I tell you roughs out about it will invoke that stress in players. It gets them in touch with it so they can learn to detect it and be aware of it and then be working on actively applying their mental strengths to the situation.
Speaker 3:We had a kid. His name was byron. He played for us at the University of Pacific. We trained this kid this way all the whole time. We did eight rounds of qualifying. This kid shot 62, two times in those conditions. It's insane. He went on that year, jumped from 600 in the world to 39th or something. One Publix was a semifinalist in USAM that year, went on and played in the Masters and he's like why are none of my teammates asking me how I did this? He's like all I'm doing is I'm staying to my keys and for him it was the same thing. Kept him free of stress even with those constraints. He's trained him to find fairway. He's trained himself to keep himself in the right state and confront Players are confronting in tournaments.
Speaker 3:The disconnect is everybody's trying to make their tournaments feel like a recreational round. We do the total opposite approach of really developing our players. We want it to be so demanding and very difficult so that you fall back on really good training and then, when you get to the tournaments, guess what? You hit the intermediate rough. There's no penalty. You talk about post-shot acceptance getting easier. A kid goes wow, I'm okay, I don't have this, I'm not out of bounds, I'm not re-pegging because I'm two feet into the rough and they just start rolling. But it's again. They get in touch with that and have the opportunities Now.
Speaker 3:Without MGT I would never train people this way because we really run the risk of shattering some self-esteem because they're going to have higher numbers. It's really demanding and hard. However, with MGT and for the coaches, what we teach them is the post-shot evaluation, Most important thing, I think, in some of the things we're working with players and here with the post shot. Let's say, this player struggled. I mean, I've had tour players go out there and post big numbers, big, big numbers playing that game.
Speaker 3:But what do we do afterwards? We're actually getting an education, because if we can start getting education and learning to detect those predictable signs of stress, that is, you're opening the curtain and no longer seeing the floating green head like in the Wizard of Oz. It's clear, you know what you're working with, it's right there and you see an instant correlation to core performance. And then we have the opportunity to find the validation points. And what are those validation points? That's when you're doing things correct, you will see swing performance and score a lot. And so we build it off with this education, validation, growth mindset.
Speaker 3:And this is the epitome of it, in my opinion, because again we walk a kid off the course. They struggle. We can turn that into a very positive experience for them in that learning context and there's no result that was for in their tournament play and here we can talk about it. We get the education, that growth. Now they're really evolving because they're having the desirable difficulties in practice. They're learning how to apply it and also seeing these things you're just detecting is becoming very clear.
Speaker 3:And again, the Green Berets, Navy SEALs and things we've interviewed they always say we train so much we fall back on good training. Well, now those kids are there, they're dealing with less and it's tournament and they end up smiling at the end of those events and we don't really lose that self-esteem because of this. And I think this is a great way to be prepping players because it just really gets them in touch with the performance skills. And we can't just train technique and not train performance skills or you're just going to be underproductive for your whole career and never maximize what that, what your potential really is all about. And I challenge people go take a look at it, Take a look at the free section and just apply our introverted or extroverted concepts the next few rounds and compare your scoring and you're going to see yourself playing better, feeling better out there and just enjoying the experience a lot more.
Speaker 1:Amazing.
Speaker 2:Okay, I cannot thank you enough for sharing your experience and the MGT program with our listeners. Where can our listeners find out more about you and the services you offer?
Speaker 3:Sure, you can just go to mentalgolftypecom and I want to extend a coupon offer to everybody listening on the Flag Hunters and this is an ongoing coupon, so if you're listening to this on replay, you can still come back and take advantage of it just write flag hunters in the coupon code and you'll get 20 off our level one programs. Um, so yeah, go on to mental golf typecom again. Our mental fitting is free. You can go on there, get your results, you can share them with your coach and get a little insight into those things. And we're also on social media, primarily youtube, instagram at mental golf type, so you can connect with us there as well amazing.
Speaker 2:Any closing questions for john jesse?
Speaker 1:no, this is great. Um, we we just, uh, humbly request that you come back on again sometime here in the near future oh, I would love, jesse.
Speaker 3:What we're going to do is open up your program. You can experiment with it too, and then we can kind of dive into it at a little deeper level. Thank you so much for the opportunity to come on and share this with everybody. We feel so strongly. Our goal is to help you understand yourself which is an amazing thing and learn to master stress, to play your best. So thank you, guys, for the opportunity to share this with your audience.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:Pleasure is ours. Pleasure is absolutely ours. Thank you, john, thank you.