Flag Hunters Golf Podcast
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Flag Hunters Golf Podcast
No, Stack And Tilt Isn’t “Just Stay Left” In Conversation with Georges Courte
We trace Georges’ path from France to China and unpack how a clear system—not a one-size method—helps juniors and adults build reliable contact, usable power, and predictable ball flight. We challenge common myths about Stack and Tilt and show how thinking golfers score lower.
• defining turn, tilt, and extend before touching a club
• controlling low point to build solid contact
• creating enough speed to play, not chase max distance
• building predictable ball flight through face and path
• why Stack and Tilt is a system, not a model
• coaching juniors to think and enjoy lessons
• differences between range competence and scoring skill
• books that matter: Hogan and The Golfing Machine
• golf’s growth and limits within China’s exclusive scene
• social media as a window into real lessons
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To find Georges his Instagram page is, @Georgescourteofficial. His YouTube is also by the same handle
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Flag Hunters is supported by JumboMax Grips and Mizzuno Golf
Hello, and welcome once again to another edition of the Flag Hunters Golf Podcast. I'm your host, Jesse Perriman, along with Justin Tang, the uh lead instructor at the Tanamera Golf Club in Singapore. We welcome you to another week of golf-affirming, life-affirming information that uh we love to share and share with all of you who are passionate about this game, about learning, understanding, and and having your game transformed for the better. It's a privilege to you, excuse me, it's a privilege for us to bring you this information. Without further ado, our guest for this week is a man who is originally from France. He is a member of the Spanish PGA and is now teaching in Shanghai, and his name is Georgis Gorte. Georgis was gracious enough to come on, and uh he is an authorized stack and tilt instructor, and also has a lot of the golfing machine on board from his background. Now, I know that the stack and tilt methodology has been controversial, but I also want to point out that it's actually helped uh a lot of people. So listen with an open mind. You might find something that George and and Justin talk about that resonates with you that you can apply to your game. And uh, I'll make sure to have all of Georgis's contact information in the show notes, as well as his socials, so that if you are in Shanghai or want to get a hold of him, he is also available online. And as well as Justin, we'll make sure to have all that information for you at your disposal. And without further ado, first and foremost, I want to thank Georges for coming on, Justin for his time, and you, the listener. Please review and subscribe and throw throw me a little feedback on Apple or Spotify. We we love to read it. I love to hear what everyone has to say. Whether it's positive or negative, it's all information that will help us uh find the right guests and uh and get the correct information out there for your application immediately. So cheers everyone, God bless, have a great week, and once again, please remember to rate, review, and subscribe. Cheers, everyone. Hello, this is Jesse Perryman from the Flag Hunters Golf Podcast. Welcoming you to another edition. We have my friend and brother and fellow commisurator. His name is Justin Tang. For those who are longtime listeners of the pod, uh, you know, you know Justin, and for those who are new, he is uh one of the instructors, the lead instructor at the Tanamera Golf Club in Singapore. And our guest on today, there's a lot of different ways to pronounce his name, but we're gonna pronounce it correctly. His name is Georges Court. He's a member of the Spanish PGA, but he comes from France and he lives in Singapore. We'll get more to that. No, I'm sorry, not in Singapore. Not the same. Yeah, Shanghai. Not the same. Maybe live, maybe he'll move to Singapore because he's a world traveler and he's an authorized uh stack and tilt instructor, and we're gonna get right into it. George, thanks for coming on, bud.
SPEAKER_03:You're welcome. You're welcome. Thank you, thank you very much for your time, George. Um, I'm very, very thankful that you spent your evening with us. It's 9 p.m. in Shanghai, but uh thanks for spending time with us again. Can you share with our listeners how you got into golf and how you ended up in Shanghai?
SPEAKER_02:Well, that's a long story because you know I'm I'm already an old man, but well, I went into golf because uh that was uh when I was 11. Uh my mom decided to to give my my father as a birthday present, 10 golf lessons. And that was uh a golf club which uh was like one and a half hour drive from where we lived. And however, we had a like a holiday house, a weekend house there, but uh I stopped playing tennis there a little bit, and then tennis was not my thing, and then I started playing golf. There was no other option, right? To travel because my parents they were completely trapped by the game, and that's a little bit how I started playing.
SPEAKER_03:And how did you end up in Shanghai after your PGA training?
SPEAKER_02:Well, that was uh that was um a lot of things in between, but um actually I did not end up in Shanghai. I went to to Haiko, to Hainan.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Uh which I also should not have been going. I should have I should have been going to Shenzhen. The the idea was actually going there with my whole family. Uh my wife and I, we both grew up in different countries, so the idea was a little bit uh that our kids uh get a little bit out of the bubble uh where they live in the private school and the house and the car, and uh so we thought China actually would be uh would be a good place. Uh but just because before I arrived to Shenzhen, uh the academy there they had a new opening in Haiko. So they asked me if I would mind to go there the first uh three months. That was uh 2014. So after one and a half months, uh they fired my boss and wanted me to stay there. And uh since then, since then I stay here in China since 2014 in Haiko, and actually now I'm moving between Haiko and Shanghai since uh last year, since 2024.
SPEAKER_03:So it's been 11 years there. Can you share a little bit on how golf has developed in China since 2014? Obviously, a lot has happened, uh especially with Guan Tianlan. How has the sport developed?
SPEAKER_02:I mean, you know the sport, it's uh golf in in China is tremendously exclusive. So um actually I mean, first of all, there are not so many golf courses if you compare to other countries and with um with a huge amount of of people who live here. But um but I I think it uh I think no, uh what slows it tremendously down is that it is so exclusive. So there's only a certain level of people have access to golf, and and that not always means that they will become good golfers.
SPEAKER_03:So but despite the uh uh lower number of golf courses, there is a vibrant China PGA tour. And there have been some successes at the international level, maybe not the professional level, but certainly at the amateur ranks.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, they're certainly they are good players, of course they are. I do not know them all, but I I see those results of amateur tournaments. I have one of one of I I coached some some players from the Highland team, uh three professionals and an amateur. So I I see the results when the amateur plays, which are pretty good, they're pretty good players. But however, I I still believe that golf is good, but but those kids never have played abroad. They never had the chance to play against players in Europe, in America, where the level of golf is is is way much better. Not because of the technique or how they play, but that golf is not only about uh how good can I hit a golf ball. It is about how low can I score. Yes, and that is like everything that needs um experience, and uh you have to learn from others, watch others, play with others, and and they do not they do not have that that possibility. Or they do not have it or they do not want to have it.
SPEAKER_03:I suppose it's like Chinese martial arts, right? You can practice all the techniques you want, but it's all meaningless until you get into real fights. Then we know if your technique works.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly. So I mean I mean, I never practice, and I almost never play when there's no time. But on the range, I can hit you whatever kind of shot you want. But you know, I mean, uh sometimes it's not exactly desired, but uh the next one will do what I want. But that doesn't mean that I score low on the golf course.
SPEAKER_03:So yeah, to your point, right? On the golf course, there is no second shot. On the range, there's second, there's third, and there's fourth.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly. Exactly. That is that is that is one of the things.
SPEAKER_03:So let's talk a little bit about your day today. You obviously teach a lot of juniors, and as I said earlier, before we hit the record button, you caught my attention in one of the YouTube videos, I think by Friends of Golf. Yes, yes, golf friends, yeah. I I at first I was quite amused. There's this handsome French guy trying to teach a little Chinese boy, and I was Luxembourg. Luxembourg, Luxembourg that speaks French, pardon me. So I was immediately captured at how effective your communication was. Okay, and I was hooked from then on. And I think for the last two, three months I tried to get in touch with you. Okay, nobody responded, and then one day you popped up on Instagram, and then I was like, I'm going for it. I need to speak to this guy.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I mean the the thing now with I mean the thing with uh the the social media, I mean the the the one who is responsible for that is Godfrey. Because uh to be honest, I I never posted on social media and I don't even I don't even watch it. And uh but our academy in Shanghai uh they opened uh an account on uh Xiao Hung Shou. And um and uh my friend from Korea on on his girlfriends, uh he started using those videos and he started posting them on YouTube. So the thing is that last summer I had a camp in in Spain with some with some of my Chinese students. And uh, I mean I lived many years in Spain and I have been a coach there and professional golfer too, but then we came to the first golf course, and when I finished my lesson, there was a gentleman approached me and he said, uh, I know you. So I was a little not not too much surprised because I said, of course, there are many people who know me in Spain. And he said, No, I said, I know you because I watched you on YouTube. Well, so I said, really? And he said, Yes, uh golf friends. And I said, Well, yes, I heard about that. Okay, so but the thing is we played several golf courses, and on every golf course we went, there were at least one or two person who approached me and they watched my videos on on YouTube, like yeah, like you did. There isn't a guy who wanted selfie with me. I was so surprised about that. So so we decided to and said, okay, well, let's do that by ourselves too. So like that, you also had the the chance or the opportunity to contact me because now those those those channels are ours and uh and we run them.
SPEAKER_03:So uh is the Instagram, your Instagram channel, is it run by you?
SPEAKER_02:Uh yes, yes. But I do not run it personally, but yes, it is it is by me. Yes.
SPEAKER_03:That's great. I I think great teachers like you should be shared with the world. Thank you. There are many golf coaches and teachers who can talk about technique, they can even demonstrate it really well. But to me, the mark of a good teacher is can your student do the same? Can you help the guy hit the ball at you? But that that to me is coaching and teaching.
SPEAKER_02:I mean for me, my my coaching or my my my goal during my lesson is that my student understands uh what we are talking about. Okay. So my words or my language is almost almost the same. Um sometimes the example I use they are slightly different with a kid than with an adult. But at the end, if uh I can finish a golf lesson, and maybe my student was not able to fully fulfill the points we have been working on today, but what I need is that when he leaves the lesson that he fully understood what he has to do and and most important, why he has to do that. Because I think if you do not understand actually what one somebody wants from you, then it is impossible. And I I try not to base my coaching on just um look, uh open more the club space or uh put the club more here, put the club more there. No, it has to be more um uh a general information from basic points of view on, okay, and then and then we start we start building up.
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SPEAKER_02:That doesn't not mean that does also not mean that I have certain students which are a bit different. They uh I have some adults here and they they like to gamble and uh you only have one hour, you only have one hour to fix them. Okay, they're gonna play the next day, and that's uh slightly a bit different. And I well would not put so much explanation there. But uh the most important thing for me is that they understand. They understand what to do and why, especially why they have to do that.
SPEAKER_03:I guess it's like what uh Jim Hardy, my mentor, used to say. It's like fixing a car. Sometimes the guy has a flat tire, you fix it and then sometimes it's an engine problem, you gotta overhaul it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. But I mean, at the end, if you understand uh how how a car, how a car works, uh, and you can make that understand your student, then it is much easier. Okay, today we talk about a flat tire and uh tomorrow we talk about a broken engine, but at the end, you have a a certain understanding about the golf thing, and that is that is important. And especially for the kids, because I I think the kids, if they have uh a good understanding from the beginning on, that that will help them later very much. And uh, you know, they they are kids, they have time, you know, they there's no rush. Uh they don't have to hit me the ball uh 300 yards in a week, okay? As long as long as their swing is built up properly. That's that's the most important thing for me.
SPEAKER_03:So when it comes to kids, uh a new beginner shows up on your lesson team, what are the uh important things that you want to help them understand?
SPEAKER_02:I mean, third of the thing when I have uh students, now beginners or also kids, when they come, I I do not I do not have them hitting bots. And they probably will not see a golf club. Depends how they behave, how they do. Maybe for a couple of lessons or three lessons, we do not even start hitting bots. Because if you give anybody a golf club in the hand, it's a club head, and it's a ball there, it's a target, and the only thing you want to do is just hit the golf ball. And and and just to hit the golf ball, you don't need me, you don't you don't need any coach. Anyone can achieve that. Okay. So uh one of the first things I start explaining them and make them understand is that in a golf split there is uh a turning, a tilting, and extending. That's very stuck and tilt, but uh but this is but this is this is present in any in any golfer. Okay, so so these are these are the first things which I make them understand. I make them understand uh what kind of motions these are, why those motions are necessary, um what they are good for. Uh I make them understand that like this they are able to keep uh more centered swing. They are not moving me all all around the planet when they later take the club in the hand. We start talking a bit about power accumulators, and they are very small. That's a golfing machine. That's a golfing machine, yes. But we use we use uh we use uh many things from the golfing machine. And uh so yeah, we start talking a bit about power accumulators, at least at least they know the name, because later, uh further on we we use those concepts. I use those concepts in my lessons. And uh it it simplifies everything much, much more. Because I have my my professional golf as I coach just before you before we had our meeting, I have that one, it's an amateur player, but uh and he sent me a message, and and my answer was only three lines because it is very fast and very simple. He understands exactly what I want with a few words. Okay, so we do not have to talk much more. So so yeah, this is about how I how I start, how I start with them. When they understand that we try to keep a stable higher up, that we try to make this more or less center swing, how we can achieve that. And then the the first fundamental in in stack and hill is to control the low point of the club. So you must learn or must be able to not every time, but quite often, to have solid impact. And that is that is the that is the first thing which which I practice with any beginner. Is it a kid or an adult? My my students have solid impact. That doesn't play to me that the ball always goes where it should go, but they have solid impacts and more or less they can control and they understand which are the elements how how they can control the the low point of the clock.
SPEAKER_03:So that's the first fundamental. Let's go on. Yeah, that's the first fundamental.
SPEAKER_02:The second fundamental in second field is uh to hit the ball uh long enough to score, long long enough to play. Okay, so uh again, that doesn't mean that you have to hit the ball 300 yards, but we start learning or introducing a little bit where how we can create more power, or how we create power in a golf swing. And and that is not that kind of power uh uh a long hitter is looking for, which at the end is a guy who has six balls in front of him, and uh and uh a fairway which is wider than the the runway of an airport. No, we try to hit the ball a distance which is long enough to score. Depends also on the student. I have some very little ones, and uh obviously they will not hit the ball 200 yards. And I have other ones they are well, they are a bit bigger, they will hit the ball a little bit longer, but always later without forgetting the third fundamental, which is having a predictable ball flag. Okay. So later on, when they start getting a little bit better, then we also introduce well, the relationship of the pass, the club face, the ammo of attack, uh, different ball positions, so how we can how we can achieve different kinds of shots and different types of shapes of the ball.
SPEAKER_03:And I think I need we need to discuss this. Stack and tilt always gets a bad reputation because people say, oh, we're a cookie-cutter system. But if you actually understand the system, you realize that there is a spec, there's something called a spectrum in stack and tilt. And you can go from the most left to the most right. And if you understand that the three fundamentals and the ten words, that you can almost adapt the stack and tilt system, and it's a system, it's not a method, it's on a method, exactly, but that's a thing. But people don't get it. They're like, oh, you guys uh just stay on your left side. Like no, no, no, no, that's a gross uh misunderstanding of that. Yeah, it is.
SPEAKER_02:So so what happened with the with the kids? Well, we have we have what we call, let's say, a kind of a model swing, okay? Which is not the only swing, because for us, every swing is good. Every swing has a different outcome of the ball. So when some when one comes and and hit balls and has a certain outcome of the ball, we can explain you why the ball has that outcome and how we can adjust that. So that does not mean that when I have uh more advanced players who come, well, I will not start putting them there and trying to search a kind of uh model model swing. No, I I will adjust what he has been doing for so many years. I will explain him why it happens and how he can adjust it, which are the elements which are involved, and then we can change the ball flight or or not. Because uh okay, the big majority of my golfers draw the ball, but that is not necessary. Uh I'm also happy when somebody fades the ball. So, yeah, stack and tilt is not is not a method. It doesn't uh tell that you have to play like this. It just explains all those different kinds of ball flies and why they happen and why this there's a cure.
SPEAKER_03:And the funny thing is that the people who attack stack and tilt don't have a system for teams. No, they do not. They don't have a system for and and we had uh we I'm I'm sure you know Andreas Kali.
SPEAKER_02:We have some of the things. I do not know him personally, but obviously I know I know Andrea.
SPEAKER_03:Having a system. When you have a system, you at least have a chance at diagnosing someone's problem and predicting a solution. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:When I when I first met Andy, I mean all those all that knowledge I I gained or had during all those years and the experience I gained playing golf, and and and when he started talking, he he just he just helped me to to put all those things in in at the in the proper place and systematically approach that. Something which before was kind of random, suddenly was clear. And sure, Andy was talking about certain things which I did not know. And the the thing with the extension, for example, that was something I I never heard about that. Um but but many other things uh he started talking about. Suddenly I I had like a place where where to put them and how to use them in a more systematic way. And I think that that that helped my not now my coaching, how how I I talk to my p uh to my students, but but definitely the the how how how I approach a golf lesson and um how how I see a golf swing, that changed my vision completely. Completely.
SPEAKER_03:So how did you get into coaching?
SPEAKER_02:Well, I get in coaching like like uh like every every golfer, no, we uh we all are um stop playing golf or become professional because we're probably gonna win a few British opens. But then after then after a couple of years, you see that well, actually I am pretty good, and I can hit the ball also pretty good, but yeah, a lot of guys that hit the ball even better than me. Yeah, and um so that was uh well I believe like almost everywhere. That was almost a little bit my plan B. So so then I I started, I I was competing almost four years, and um then I had um a good opportunity, which was actually not only coaching, but it was also uh golf management and uh and retail and um so and I I I took that. Okay, I was there with coward maybe or maybe not, who knows? But so I decided to to stop playing and and focus more on coaching and on golf business.
SPEAKER_03:Oh it's good that you decided to coach. Thank you. And also when you got into this golfing journey, you must have been on the path to I need to improve myself. Can you talk a little bit on your your philosophy, the issues I suppose you face as a player, and what led you to find Andy and Mike?
SPEAKER_02:Well Andy, Andy and and Mike, uh that was uh because in our regional PGA we used to have maybe every two months uh a little seminar where it was a good occasion where all all the uh the professionals came together and um there was always always somebody who was talking about anything, it nothing obviously related to golf. And uh one day two of my my good friends, which uh I don't know how, but they uh attend a Stuck and Till seminar. So they made a little introduction about Stuck and Till in that in that seminar. And um that was really interesting because they were there were many things they were talking about. And and I remembered when I was playing like let's say my best golf, that that were those kind of things which I always were more comfortable and could make it and could hit my ball better. But in these days, everybody said, no, no, you cannot do that. You cannot do that. That is that is not right. So and um they are my same age, and we kind of grew up together playing amateur golf, and it was a professional golf, and then they said, Listen, um, and he will have another seminar in Madrid. Uh so I went to Madrid and I I went to seminar, and this is this is where where I met him and and came into Stagent Till, yes.
SPEAKER_03:And and how many years has it been since you're an alliance coach or network coach?
SPEAKER_02:Uh well no, I started being a network coach in 2014, and then I became uh I don't remember authorized coach, I think 2016, I think, yes.
SPEAKER_03:And since then has your has your philosophy adapted? Has it changed? Have you uh learned new things?
SPEAKER_02:No, I mean learned new things. I I I mean I'm I'm always uh I mean always reading about golf. Okay, I'm I told you I'm not such a fan of uh social media as I prefer to read more and uh uh I think it's more interesting. I'm old school.
SPEAKER_03:So uh w what sort of uh golf books do you read and uh could recommend to our listeners?
SPEAKER_02:I mean if it's for the listeners, uh I mean Well, not stuck until obviously, but uh I mean one of the books you also should read are the five lessons from Ben Hogan. I think I think that is uh is a very good book for for for everybody. Um Ben Hogan was also a very systematic uh systematic person and uh and however certain things he explained. You also have to understand that Ben Hogan uh uh understood uh many things which he actually writes in his book, but he could not demonstrate that. Ben Hogan was aware about the past and the club face, but he didn't have a streikman. Uh uh Theodore Jurgensen didn't wrote his book Physics of Golf until 1992. So he could not know that. But if you read his book and you understand a bit about that, and you see you see his uh his his ball position, how he positions his his ball uh always at the same spot, yeah. That that is the that is the deep play. That is, yeah. But he could not, he could not, not not technically he could not explain it, but he knew it, he was right. He knew he was right. So so yeah, the the five five uh lessons from Ben Hogan, different, definitely. And uh I don't know, maybe you know something more amusing. Uh the the little red book from our penick. Oh, Javi Penick, yes. Yeah, that's a classic. That's a very, very nice and very interesting book, too. Yes.
SPEAKER_03:I I remember in 1998 when I first learned golf, I got Javi Penick's book. All I was interested in was the page that said the magic move, where you put your right elbow to the down the stairs.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, yes, exactly. The magic move, yeah. But it's an interesting book, it is a little bit more like the novel. I mean, at the end he did not wrote it, it was a I don't remember the name of the journalist who wrote it, but um it's it's uh it's an entertaining book. It has all those little stories, and it's not too technical, it's okay. I like I like that very much.
SPEAKER_03:It it kind of feels that you know the the old timers had it right in the sense that they had very they were able to uh teach very complicated information in a simple way. Yeah, but it has to be kind of that.
SPEAKER_02:I mean uh golf is a very complex sport, and and when you and and I and all my colleagues who who teach those top professional golfers, you know, oof. Uh that is that I I think that's that's a that's a very tough job because there it really comes into very small details. I mean in the in the golf thing. Uh uh later, I believe a great job is also done by the psychologists who who help them to train their brain and uh and but however you always can keep it simple. It always uh uh should be simple.
SPEAKER_03:So did someone teach you how how to teach? Or you just kind of uh adapted along the way?
SPEAKER_02:It's just how I am. So no, I no, no, it's just I'm kind of like that as a person, and uh yeah, and I just it helps me, it helps me during my daily life.
SPEAKER_03:Because when I see the kids you teach they they they look like they really enjoy being with you, and the look of surprise on their face when you say hey do this, it's like wow, magic to them.
SPEAKER_02:But yeah, I you know this is this is uh part of my job, and uh you know, but you have many parents, you know, they uh like kind of they for a certain reason I do not understand, they have the need that their kids become amazing good golfers, and and from my point of view, it's not like that. This is uh this is a hobby. And and what I try is that next week you want to come to my golf lesson because this is an hour where you enjoy. Because if you enjoy and you like it, there is a big chance that you will do it good. But if you do not yeah, but if you do not enjoy that golf lesson, so so and I have kids which they do enjoy, they do enjoy very much coming. I have other kids they do not, but I I have a big percentage of kids. I I I I I twist them around, okay? And uh and and and suddenly they start liking that, you know, and I make kind of deals with them. I say, listen, I will tell you, uh yeah, I will I will tell your mom that you do not need to practice during the week if you focus in this hour, okay?
SPEAKER_01:So they say, okay, okay, that's a good one.
SPEAKER_03:I'm I'm learning that I'm gonna use that.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:I I teach uh a fair fair amount of uh juniors myself. Okay, okay. And sometimes you I guess as an adult, you try to motivate them in a way that seems logical to us, but the kids is like it's not logical. So you've got to start thinking like them almost.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, an adult is different. An adult comes because an adult has a knows he has a problem, so he comes to see me because he expects that I solve that problem. Uh he is willing to pay a certain amount of money for that, but the kid not. The kid doesn't pay for the golf lesson. The kid doesn't even know how much a golf lesson is worth. Uh they just come because daddy wants them to go. Okay. I do not know many kids, so I have not coached many kids in my life who actually voluntarily choose to play golf. Very few. Generally, it's the it is the parents. They just send them there. And then they believe that, oh, because I like it, well, my kid has to like it too. And that is not not always the case. So but yes, the having them amused and uh well, amused, certain level, okay? Um and especially having them thinking. I I always I really try, I really try hard that they that they think, that they do not just stay there and after every ball just lift up their head and look at me. No, yeah. They they have to start figuring out what happened by themselves. Because if not, uh this is uh how I said the the put your brain at zero mode. I just hit it, and then my coach is gonna tell me what. And there are many times I have problems with because I have the parents in there, and then I make the kid a question and and the daddy answers, and it's yeah, I was not asking you.
SPEAKER_01:I'm aware that you know, or you should know because you're an adult person, but I was waiting that your kid gives me the answer, you know.
SPEAKER_02:So, yes, no, the the thinking is is uh is is is definitely something something fundamental. When they when they learn to think, that's and that's what you need. When you want to play good golf, you have to think. Because on the golf course, there is nobody with you, it's just you. The ball and the golf course.
SPEAKER_03:So when you were developing your own game yourself, who were your influences? You mentioned Ben Hogan's book, so I'm guessing Ben Hogan had an influence on you.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I mean, I I mean, I don't know, in my in my my theory, when I when I start playing off, I mean we also had coaches. Uh actually, I uh one of my coaches he he played uh several years on the European tour. I also carded for him one year, and and he's he's a he's a very good player, and uh uh he was still a good player. He plays on the on the on the senior tour now in Europe. And um but but but his knowledge was limited also. He he did not have so much. So uh a lot of things, a little bit like Ben Hogan. No, uh we had to figure out by ourselves. And uh I mean when when I when I before I became professional, the believing was that a golf ball starts to the right or starts to the left because of the direct direction of your swing, your swing line. And that the ball, and that the ball uh was drawing or fading, well, drawing because the club phase was closed, and fading because the club phase was open. So that that that was what we were taught, and that was completely wrong. So then we we we we had those those those rounds we used to play in the afternoon in my home course, and sometimes our green keeper, our green keeper joined, and our green keeper never had a golf lesson in his life. But I mean in my home club, he managed to play, he managed to play around part. And he he his shots with almost every club was a ball who was starting 40 yards to the right and was drawing back. Yeah, yeah, no, no. He loses the yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no. He yeah, but my my home course is uh like uh local knowledge golf course. Uh if you if you if you know where to bounce the ball and and and where to play. So yeah, he was playing around par. And and then uh one day one of my friends he said, Oh, you must have such a close club face. And he said, Well, listen, I don't understand so much about this game, but I can promise you that my club face is not closed. That was, you know, in my life, that like moments in your life where I was thinking, well, if he has a clubface to open, you know. And and and these things, a little bit by ourselves, we had to, we had to start figuring out how how that certain things we actually were taught they they they were completely wrong. Completely wrong.
SPEAKER_03:And I think with like you mentioned, social media, everything is so readily available. I fear that a lot of our golfers miss out on the chance to figure things out themselves, to play the game. A lot of it, a large part of being a quote-unquote good golfer is figuring things out yourself and being out there experimenting. And that's something that Jesse and I talked a lot about on this podcast.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, that's right, that's right. I mean, as long as you have some general information which which you should have, if you have some, if you have uh certain general motions in a golf swing which which should be there, well of course you have to figure out by yourself. Because in the golf course, uh the golf course is how we say it is it's like a jungle. Um you never uh are on a flat surface uh like you are when you hit balls on a mat. It it is the the the ball position is different, the the light of the ball is different, the wind, uh the what you see visually. Uh so you have to start figuring out, no?
SPEAKER_03:So what's next for uh George's court? What's the next five years gonna be like? Are you going to be continuing to teach in China?
SPEAKER_02:Uh yeah, definitely, yes, definitely yes. I I also don't think I I will go anywhere else. I think uh China is gonna be my the last stage of my golfing career. If I leave China, then it definitely is uh because I I will retire from from golf or at least from coaching golf.
SPEAKER_03:Uh definitely yes. And I suppose when you when that day finally comes, will home be Luxembourg or some other uh no, definitely Spain.
SPEAKER_02:Definitely Spain. Yes, no, I I went to Spain in 1983. My family, they are all Spanish, and uh they well not all of them because my kids do not all live in Spain. Uh they are speed a bit around the world. But um, but no, my wife is uh is still in she lives in Spain. So now it's me who travels quite frequently to Spain. But in a couple of years, uh I have still a little one who once we finish high school, then my wife also will spend longer, longer periods of time in Shanghai.
SPEAKER_03:Cool. So how uh Jesse, do you have any more and any questions for uh Georges?
SPEAKER_00:Nope, I'm good. Thank you for uh thank you for clarifying the stack and tilt thing though. Because uh I'll make a comment and then I'll shut up. Okay, because a lot of people, uh, as Justin said, are confused about stack and tilt, and they think that it's just stacking on the left side. I know it's more than that, but um, I think that's really good for clarification for those who are listening who are uh especially the guys and the girls that are students of the golfing machine and know that variant, you know. Um so thank you for clarifying that. Uh that helped me out too.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:So, George, just how can our listeners find out more about you and watch your awesome videos of coaching?
SPEAKER_02:Oh no, you can watch our channel, which is uh at george core. Is that on YouTube, George? That's on YouTube, yes. Good. They also find us on Instagram, on TikTok. Okay, under the same title? Uh the same title, yes. It's the same title, yes, yes. That's George Court G E-O-R-T-E-S. C-C-O-U-R-T-T-E official. Official, yes, yes. There they there they can find us, they can see the videos. We are posting still our uh these short videos, which actually are just fragments from golf lessons, and uh we post those. Now YouTube we YouTube you can post a little bit longer videos because I think on Instagram people are not so interested in that. So so we will post a little bit longer videos there. Also, probably we'll talk a little bit more about what is stuck and tilt and and uh a bit about fundamentals, a little bit about the golfing machine too. Not too much. Later I have viewers there, they are golfing machine instructors, and they say a guy is not right. Because I also have uh I I also have uh uh second field instructors who is uh who are who are golfing machine instructors, and uh I mean I always when it's always when I meet them I I have a lot of questions for them. I have a lot of questions. I'm trying to read that book. I I'm reading it for years and I'm trying to understand it, but I I I definitely will have to go to a couple of seminars and get a bit more knowledge about it.
SPEAKER_03:This is this is my offer to you, my friend. We will connect on email. I will provide you with some seminars. Okay, okay, perfect, perfect. That would be that would that be great. These seminars lifted the the veil on the book. After I I watched these seminars, the book became an open book to me. Yes, I know, I know, I know.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You you need I you need that because if not you you you you you you you you cannot understand. It's very hard, very hard, very hard to follow. Okay. However, you have some background or some knowledge like I do, I know I I I definitely have to attend some seminars to get a better understanding of of the golfing machine. Which personally for me is the is the only golf book written ever.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I I I think so. It's uh it's an encyclopedia of the golf.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_03:I think every serious instructor of the game has to read the book first, or second, yes, along with the stack and tilt system.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, yes. And and it's a bit about how stack and tilt is built up. It's it's the same, the same ideas, the same philosophy. Every string is good, we can explain it, but the golfing machine is way much cheaper. Way, way much more, way, way, way much more. Okay, so I would never uh show any golfer uh a one-plane spring like like rice in the shampoo. But in a golfing machine, it's okay. It is okay. It is possible, it is possible. It is possible, it's part of it.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Thank you again, Georges, for spending your time with us and enlightening our listeners.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, it's my pleasure. It's my pleasure. Yes, it's my pleasure, Jesse.